Re: Peterson's Death Sentence

From: Kevin Aylward (salesEXTRACT_at_anasoft.co.uk)
Date: 01/26/05 

Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:01:37 GMT

Noah Roberts wrote:
> Kevin Aylward wrote:
>> Noah Roberts wrote:
>>
>>> John Woodgate wrote:
>>>
>>>> I read in sci.electronics.design that Noah Roberts
>>>> <nroberts@stmartin.edu> wrote (in
>>>
>>> <1106683157.681825.208750@c13g2000cwb.
>>>
>>>> googlegroups.com>) about 'Peterson's Death Sentence', on Tue, 25
>>>> Jan 2005:
>>>>
>>>>> Kevin Aylward wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Unfortunately,
>>>>>> the ignorant peasants that invented god, knew sod all about
>>>>>> maths.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no problem with your argument until that.
>
> BTW, because those people do not deserve your disrespect. The people
> you are calling ignorant peasants lived long, hard, and often
> unrewarded lives. Maybe they didn't know a whole lot, like how to
> read, write, or do math; maybe they did. A lot of what cause their
> hardship was the way they were treated by royalty...like ignorant
> peasants. That is a very derogatory term.
>
> I also object to you saying ignorant peasants invented god. It is not
> ignorant to believe in god.

Yes it is.

Hey, you know how we got here, well it was due to this dude like, an all
knowing, all powerfull, can do anything, is every where at once dude...

Like get real. You truly believe that that is a credible solution? Its
complete and utter nonsense.

All this is a statement on "I am f'ing clueless, with no idea how/why we
exist so I'll just make it up as I go along".

Smell the roses...Gods are absurd. Its that simply.

>
> Third, in the fast wealth of knowledge in the universe, you are not
> much smarter than them.

Oh...I do indeed have much expertise in various subjects.

> And I guarantee they knew more about
> survival.

This isn't one of my areas of expertise. Your point would be?

>
> Finally, the history of religion does not support your assertation.

Oh?

> The peasants you speak of knew "sod all" about religion. They went to
> church and listened to someone speak latin for a few hours. Then they
> went back to work living...God was stolen and kept from them.

Those that spoke latin were also "peasants".

>
>> ago are now known to be false. Why should the idea of a god be any
>> different?
>
> Are the laws of gravity still the same? I don't mean is our
> understanding of them still the same...I mean does gravity do now what
> it did then?

Nope.

> Why should God's existance be any different?

Oh dear. It doesn't. "God" never done anything then, and he don't do
anything now. Now get this, god don't exist. Tell me, why don't you
believe in pixies, elves, Santa claus, Thor, Zeus. when you figure that
out, you'll understand why this one god don't exist either.

Show me some bloody evidence that this so called god done anything.
Simply claiming that "god created Elvis" don't cut it. Produce the dude
and lets see him do something.

>
> Gravity exists and operates of its own accord no matter what our
> understanding of it, or lack thereof. If God exists it is the same.
>
> Has our understanding of God changed in that time?

Yep. We now know that people invented god due to lack of information as
to how we could possible have came about. Physics and biological
knowledge is now so extensive that we know the basic mechinisems beyund
reasonable doubt. That is, based on extensive evidence for evolution and
*zero* actual evidence for an actual god. In addition, the evidence we
have from physics, e.g. quantum mechanics shows that the universe is
inherently unpredictable, hence an all knowing god is extremely
unlikely. And no don't bring up the "we are just ignorant bit". It dont
wash.

>Why yes it
> certainly has, for some of us. Where are the inquisitions? At least
> in this culture and country we don't torture and burn people for
> heresy...yet (though there are obviously those in both camps that
> would have it back). I would say that is a step up, wouldn't you?
> Certainly more important than the slight alterations to a formula for
> how fast something hits the ground when you drop it?

There is no formula for god. Nothing is testable about god in the
slightest. Its simple vacuous claims.

>
> So we have two forces that exist independantly of human interferance.

Nope. We have objective evidence on the effects of gravity. We have no
evidence for a god.

We have *bishops* telling us that god did this, god says that, but
diddly squat for actual evidence of such claimed deeds. Any "evidence"
that there is completely contradictory, www.evilbible.com.

> In both cases our understanding of them has changed. But we know a
> lot more about gravity then we do God. God is a much bigger subject
> matter.

God contains no information at all.

>
> Sort like Chi, it exists

Dream on.

>or not whether it is believed in or
> not...though it is more effectivly channeled and is effects better
> understood if it is believed in.

Complete hogwash.

Kevin Aylward
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