Re: Peterson's Death Sentence

From: keith (krw_at_att.bizzzz)
Date: 02/01/05 

Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 23:17:15 -0500

On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:09:30 -0600, John Fields wrote:

> On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:07:53 -0500, Keith Williams <krw@att.bizzzz>
> wrote:
>
>>In article <9q6tv01pjkaskold74g0qfa7fop4i9phpj@4ax.com>,
>>jfields@austininstruments.com says...
>>> On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:18:01 -0500, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
>
>>If time and space are discrete, how can color (wavelength) not be?
>
> ---
> Yes, I agree that at its most basic level it _must_ be. I acquiesced
> for the sake of the discussion, since it was merely being used as an
> analogy and wasn't really part of the "meat" of the discussion.

Sure, but you gave in to an invalid argument against your analogy. The
pro-abortion types siezed on this as an argument that there is a continuum
in everything, thus there is no sense in making any distinctions (the
moral relativism falacy).

There must be some level at which we define "green". Color
(wavelength) is not a continuum, but we do make (sometimes arbitrary)
decisions where the lines are drawn. We may not agree where to draw this
line (I rather see things bluer than many and women are better at color
differentiation), but the fact is that life is descrete. We make choices,
whether we draw thick lines or thin.

While I agree with your premiss that life begins at conception, I
don't like the consequences of that definition. The pro-abortion people
prefer choice over life, I don't like that stance either. I think it
absolutely intollerable that they would kill an infant at 9mos, 30 seconds
before the head pops out of the birth canal. To force a breach-birth just
to kill the infant, in the name of "health of the mother" should be
first-degree murder. It is in fact willful ending of an innocent life.

Inbetween conception and viability I have a personal moral issue.
Emotionally I believe life starts at conception, but intellectually I'm a
little uncertain. I'd go with the "brain-wave" hypothesis, or even the
first trimester free pass, but the pro-abortionists stance isn't at all
reasonable.

What *pisses* me off is the *courts* dictating public policy! They have
no business making law! RvW is a perfect example of judicial legislation.
Every justice involved in that decision should have been impeached. 

-- 
  Keith

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