Re: copying dvd's to hard drive
From: Anton Erasmus (junk_at_junk.net)
Date: 09/13/03
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Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 22:12:25 +0200
On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 18:25:22 GMT, Alan Connor
<alanconnor@earthlink.net> wrote:
>On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 19:02:51 +0200, Anton Erasmus <junk@junk.net> wrote:
>>
>> My address is just spam proofed. My "Reply-to" address is valid.
>>
>> I personally are more concerned about the morality of an action than
>> about the legality of an action. Being from a country where many
>> things were legal, but morally totaly unaceptable, I find the
>> distinction to be very important. (Country is South Africa)
>>
>> To me being able to remove the macrovison is a complete moral use of
>> DeCSS. The macrovision system screws around with the sync signal and
>> prevents one to view the DVD on many older TVs. The zone locking is
>> also just a way to make more money. Many DVDs are not released in all
>> zones. So if I happen to want to get a DVD on the American Civil War,
>> then chances are that it is not available in zone 2.
>>
>> AFAIK the recording industry have actually tried to make it a crime
>> for someone to BUY a DVD player that can play a different zone.
>>
>> There are many things which are totally legal which are morally
>> unaceptable. The legal system is supposed to be moral, but it has been
>> corrupted to such an extend that legality an morality are 2 totally
>> different concepts.
>>
>> Regards
>> Anton Erasmus
>>
>
>
>That is completely true. And there are many things that are morally acceptable
>that are illegal.
>
>
>But if you buy a product which is only sold under certain provisions which
>you agree to by the very act of purchasing the product, then to not live up
>to that agreement is 'immoral' (actually, "unethical" would be a better choice
>of words here).
>
>
>There is nothing anyplace that says you have the right to ANY entertainment
>product. No one has to sell you ANY CDs or TVS or DVDs. If they attach
>conditions to the sale, then it is up to you to accept them or refuse the
>product. It belongs to THEM, not you.
>
>If I sell you a ticket to see a movie in my theatre that specifies that you
>can only sit in section C, then you have agreed to sit in section C by the
>very act of buying that ticket.
>
>If you sit in section B, then you are breaking the contract and are a
>criminal, albeit a minor one.
>
>
>Where do you get the idea that the Bible or the Constitution gives you the
>right to demand that everyone just fork over whatever they have with no
>conditions at all because you THINK they should?
>
>
>Do you sign rental agreements and then break them because you feel like it?
>Oh. I agreed not to have pets but I will get a dog because I feel like it?
>I would guess that you would.
>
>I know people who copy CDs and such. I wouldn't leave them alone in my house
>and I wouldn't rent a place to them and I wouldn't hire them (etc.).
>
>
>Alan C
Nowhere did I say that I think stealing DVDs / CDs / Software etc. is
morally correct. My point is that the legal conditions applied by the
entertainment industry are so restrictive that in many cases that very
simple usage of a product may be in a strict sense illegal. For
instance: Most DVDs that are sold, it is legal for non-commercial
private exhibition in homes only. (From a Sony DVD I bought).
In the strictest sense this implies you are not even allowed to watch
it at work on your computer. If one takes the strictest meaning of
most of these restrictions, it basically means that there are many
perfecttly natural situations where it would be illegal to use the
product one bought. This is a far cry from stealing. I personally make
copies of my CDs for use in my car. No one else listens or uses the
originals. This I do in case a CD gets damaged in my car (Which has
happend). By my use of a copy, I could throw away the damaged copy,
and just make a new one. From your arguments, I should used the
original, and when it got damaged I would have had to buy a new copy
even though the shipping alone to South Africa is approx US$30.
Borrowing a copy from someone else and making a copy is theft pure and
simple. Morally and legally wrong. Making a backup copy might or might
not be illegal, but I do not consider it immoral or unethical.
Also I do not pre judge that anyone asking for information with which
they might break the law, automatically will and want to do so.
If someone asked you to teach them to drive a car, I assume you would
refuse because the person might speed, and hence break the law ? If
one follows the entertainment industry logic and apply it to the car
example above, car manufacturers should be force to limit their cars
to go no faster than the allowed speed limit.
Regards
Anton
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