Re: GRUB hang dual booted system
From: imotgm (imotgm_REMOVE_at_invalid-yahoo.com)
Date: 08/27/04
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:57:38 GMT
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:47:22 -0700, Paul Lutus wrote:
> imotgm wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:27:21 -0700, Paul Lutus wrote:
>>
>>> imotgm wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:27:32 +0000, imotgm wrote:
>>>>
>>>> As an afterthought, I'd also recommend installing the 80GB drive as the
>>>> first drive, /dev/hda, and moving the Windows drive to /dev/hdb, or
>>>> /dev/hdc.
>>>
>>> Reasonable, except this won't work. Windows must be on the primary drive.
>>> I hope the OP has the sense not to embark on your project.
>>
>> Again, You are talking out of your ass.
>
> Your local junior college has classes in remedial English -- designed with
> you in mind.
Sorry, I was an English major, straight A's too.
> / ...
>
>> My present Windows stanza from /grub/menu.lst;
>>
>> title Windows E
>> root (hd2,0)
>> map (hd2) (hd0)
>> map (hd0) (hd2)
>
> So our newbie will know this trick, yes? Your original post didn't include
> this stunt, and had he taken your advice without reflection or pause, he
> would be posting again, real soon.
Re-read my post where I made the suggestion, and note that this "stunt" is
included;
<quote>
When the installation of Linux is complete, and you can boot to it, as
root, edit /boot/grub/grub.conf so the Windows stanza looks like;
title windows
root (hd1,0)
map (hd0) (hd1)
map (hd1) (hd0)
makeactive
chainloader +1
if the grub installation didn't already.
</quote>
So the newbie should know this "trick", as I just told him about it.
> Older Linux versions didn't have this drive-mapping ability, and my
> position on this issue is quite wrong and out of date.
Yes, it was. <- past tense # English major <shrug>
I'd almost written you off as incapable of learning, or admitting you were
wrong; I stand corrected, on both counts.
> For this newbie, I still think it was a silly piece of advice,
> especially without the details.
Again, re-read the post to which you refer. The details are there.
> One can only hope he doesn't try to use
> LILO, and that he reads this entire thread.
<quote>
That way, grub is installed on the Linux drive's MBR
</quote>
Nobody mentioned lilo, except you, just now, and for that matter, lilo is
capable of the same thing. Grub is simply better, less confusing to a
newbie, once he learns to reference hard drives as (hd0), (hd1), ..., and
need not be "run" after changes to grub.conf, or menu.lst, whichever the
OS version uses. Red Hat uses grub.conf, and the OP said he installed RH 9
so I used that reference, so as not to confuse the OP.
> All things considered, it's still a bad piece of advice. If his Linux
> installation fails him, and he (as is typical under the circumstances)
> tries to restore the Windows MBR, this rescue effort will fail because
> of the location of the drive.
I could have told him to unplug the Linux drive, each time, when making
repairs to the Windows drive, for safety sake, and would have, if you had
not jumped in with your bogus "won't work" reply, before he could ask for
additional details. As is, I made reference to it already;
<quote>
To do the above, first remove the 80GB drive, and from the windows install
cd, enter a console, and enter;
fixmbr <Enter>
then reboot, to make sure Windows boots normally.
</quote>
I've given this advice to many newbies, and have given details that run
into 150-200+ line posts, when they ask for details. Some like the idea,
try, and think the results are great, when it works, first time out. Some
are scared off, by people like you, and never try at all, and later are
back crying about Windows overwriting grub, and wanting to know if there's
a better way. This is it.
When I first broach the subject, I give enough detail to actually
accomplish the task, if the OP has any willingness to try something a
little different than what he's heard before. Some just do it, and say
"thank you". Some ask for more detail, and if there are any "gotchas" to
be avoided. I give them as much detail as they need, to feel
comfortable, before starting. Some never respond at all, so I don't
feel the need to start by posting the 150-200+ line step by step, until
asked. None, that have tried, to date, have failed. A typical response,
from last Friday;
<quote>
Subject: Re: GRUB - cant boot Win2000
From: Dmitry <cdk041@sbcglobal.net>
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
Message-ID: <UWdVc.271$YX1.241@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040803
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 03:08:36 GMT
!!!!!!! It is working, I am amaized,
I looked through many GRUB manuals and docs, but could not find this setup.
Thanks again.
</quote>
Headers left in, so you can verify the thread.
>> For a guy with your background, your ignorance is appalling.
>
> In spite of the fact you don't dare post using your name, or perhaps
> because of that, your judgment is apalling.
You misspelled "appalling", see example five lines up. # English major
My posting, as I do, has nothing to do with daring to use my name, and the
motives you ascribe to me are fallacious. I have never posted under any
other name than that which I use here. If a poster knew who I really am,
his judgment, about what I say, might be swayed, either positively, or
negatively, by that fact alone. Here, I am just the sum total of what I
post, for good or bad, as the reader chooses, without outside influence.
Now, as you didn't like my reference to your "appalling ignorance", I
didn't much appreciate your derogatory references below;
<quote>
Even given the brainlessness of this scheme, he could back up to separate
directories.
(to the very inexperienced:this doesn't work)
I hope to God the OP doesn't have the time or inclination to discover for
himself what you don't know.
</quote>
These were deliberately meant to be personally provocative, to imply that
there was no merit whatever to my point of view, to make me look foolish,
and you knowledgeable. Now, having, somewhat grudgingly, admitted that I
was correct, thereby adding to my credibility, this makes you look what?
The entire post, to which I reply, is still full of inaccuracies, which I
have already pointed out, and little snide remarks about "remedial English",
"tricks", "stunts", "a silly piece of advice", and "a bad piece of
advice", all of which reflect your opinion only, are cheap shots, to save
face, and attempt to justify your position, even after admitting you
were wrong, by false assertions, and innuendo. The last two viewpoints,
especially, are certainly not shared by those who have, in fact, followed
the advise.
Considering that, by your own admission, the bracketed quote is dead
wrong, and, whether by the grace of God, or not, the OP, if he is still
following this thread, has in fact learned, only what YOU did not know,
until you learned it today, as a direct result of my post, (ie You learned
from me) I think the slurs, have gone far enough. They are juvenile, and
make you look foolish.
I apologize, for allowing myself to be provoked into responding in kind.
That, alone, makes me look foolish too.
That said, as you seem incapable of having a difference of opinion, or
even admitting an error, on your part, without adding the gratuitous
aforementioned cheap shots, I see no reason to respond to any further
provocation, or attempt rational discussion about these opinions, at this
time.
On the other hand, I do have the satisfaction of knowing that I caused at
least one person to learn something today, so it wasn't a total waste of
time. ;-D
Good night, Paul. Despite our differences, I pray you fare well.
-- imotgm
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