Re: ASCII text garbled on FTP download?

From: Bill S. (ziphem_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 04/16/04 

Date: 16 Apr 2004 12:53:06 -0700

Ok, this helps. Thanks for the advice. btw when I go to dosshell and
edit the 1.cgi, it's formatted ok. So the problem is my notepad.exe

The reason why I use notepad is it's easier, as the files are sitting
on my computer. As the webpages I have get bigger, I've started to
back them up - tar them and ftp the tars to my Windows machine to
store them there - cause the thought of re-uploading everything,
permissions, etc., makes me ill.

As for the unix2dos, I need to install that on my server. If I run
the command for all files in the directory, will it destroy any
non-text files, like gifs etc?

Thanks!!!

>
> Or you can convert a CR to CR+LF file on windows using the following trick.
>
> Start,run,cmd
>
> "edit 1.cgi"
> add 1 space,backspace 1 space <ALT> F X <Return>
>
> Thats file,save,yes write changes. The file is now CR+LF terminated lines
> and works in windows.
>
> As I have already mentioned the problem is probably the ftp client or
> configuration of one of the ftp servers. As a rule don't move things
> around in ASCII.
>
> If you make it all CR+LF formatted and move it around in binary the
> problem goes away ...
>
> I would ask why anybody would write cgi sitting using notepad on an XP
> machine anyway !!!!
>
> If you cant live without XP use vmware to run a linux inside it, then you
> can write,edit and test cgi content... or dual boot the laptop... or even
> use knoppix to CD boot the laptop into a linux environment. Why would you
> want to edit the files in one place and run them in another, sounds a slow
> and clunky way of working to me.
>
> I've worked in a mixed windows/linux/unix world for years with none of
> these problems - you simply need to re-consider the best way to work -
> moving files around one at a time is a symptom of an ill-planned work
> pattern.
>
> I use a local linux machine to run apache and cgi - I connected to it
> using a laptop running knoppix and wireless networking when im not at my
> desk and I only ftp complete projects in binary... i've not had problems
> at all.
>
> Jon

root <root@home.com> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.04.16.14.57.48.807047@home.com>...
> On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 02:55:02 -0700, Bill S. wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the response. Ok basically my question is about carriage
> > returns. What I meant in they "never come out of linux" is this: I
> > sit here at home on my Windows XP machine. I want to move my files,
> > say 1.html, 1.gif and 1.cgi, from Server 1 to Server 2, both 3,000
> > miles away from me, and away from each other. The files are in /home
> > on Server 1 and I want to put them in the same location on Server 2
> > (/home).
> >
> > I ssh into Server 1. I cd /home, and type "tar cvf compressedfile *"
> >
> > I exit.
> >
> > I ssh into Server 2. I:
> > mkdir /home
> > cd / home
> > ftp
> > open Server 1, login, cd /home
> > get compressedfile
> > exit
> >
> > Ok, so then I "tar xvf compressedfile"
> >
> > I have then, in Server 2's /home, 1.html, 1.gif, and 1.cgi
> >
> > I exit ssh, all done.
> >
> > Ok, I am still at my Windows XP pc as the weather is bad and I don't
> > want to go outside. I have no umbrella, and I hate getting drenched.
> >
> > I then run ws_ftp. I have 1.html, 1.gif and 1.cgi in my ws_ftp
> > directory. Originally, 7 years ago, I uploaded them to Server 1,
> > 1.gif in binary and 1.cgi and 1.html in ASCII.
> >
> > So to remember what 1.cgi looked like, I go to view, & it's opened in
> > notepad.exe. I see:
> >
> > Version Info ###
> > $YaBBversion = '1 Gold - SP 1.1';
> > $YaBBplver = '1 Gold - SP 1.1';
> >
> > if( $ENV{'SERVER_SOFTWARE'} =~ /IIS/ ) {
> > $yyIIS = 1;
> > $0 =~ m~(.*)(\\|/)~;
> > $yypath = $1;
> > $yypath =~ s~\\~/~g;
> > chdir($yypath);
> > push(@INC,$yypath);
> > }
> >
> > ### Requirements and Errors ###
> > use CGI qw(header cookie); # so we can use the header and cookie
> > printing
> > use CGI qw/:standard/;
> > $CGI::HEADERS_ONCE = 1; # Kill redundant headers
> > require "Settings.pl";
> > require "$language";
> > require "$sourcedir/Subs.pl";
> > require "$sourcedir/Load.pl";
> > require "$sourcedir/Security.pl";
> >
> >
> > I ftp into Server 1, download 1.cgi in ASCII and view it, and see the
> > same as 1.cgi originally on my Windows XP, from 7 years ago.
> >
> > I ftp into Server 2, download the file in ASCII, the same way. I see
> > something a bit like:
> >
> > Version Info ###$YaBBversion = '1 Gold - SP 1.1';$YaBBplver = '1 Gold
> > - SP 1.1';
> > if( $ENV{'SERVER_SOFTWARE'} =~ /IIS/ ) { $yyIIS = 1; $0 =~
> > m~(.*)\\|/)~; $yypath = $1; $yypath =~
> > s~\\~/~g; chdir($yypath); push@INC,$yypath);}### Requirements and
> > Errors ###use CGI qw(header cookie); # so we can use the header and
> > cookie printinguse CGI qw/:standard/;$CGI::HEADERS_ONCE = 1; # Kill
> > redundant headers require "Settings.pl";require "$language";require
> > "$sourcedir/Subs.pl";require "$sourcedir/Load.pl";require
> > "$sourcedir/Security.pl"; # Those who write software only for pay
> > should go hurt some other field. # - Erik Naggum
> > &LoadCookie;
> >
> >
> > When I pasted the above directly here, in this window, it formatted
> > like how it looks from Server 1 or on my Windows XP. However, sitting
> > in notepad.exe, even cut and re-pasted, the formatting is garbled, in
> > that the carriage returns do not display well.
> >
> > So I was wondering why this was the case and if there is anything I
> > can do about this, rather than cutting out the ill formatted ascii
> > files, pasting them somewhere to get the formatting back, then
> > repasting them into notepad, and re-uploading them.
> >
> > Thanks!!
>
> Yes, you can zip the files up on the linux machine, ftp them in binary and
> unzip them on the windows machine. ("man zip" NOT gzip)
>
> If you want to edit the files on windows they must always be in CR LF
> (DOS) format.... so use
>
> "unix2dos 1.cgi" etc on the linux machine to force the files into CR+LF
> terminated lines (apache wont care). Then ALWAYS transfer ALL files in
> binary.
>
> Or you can convert a CR to CR+LF file on windows using the following trick.
>
> Start,run,cmd
>
> "edit 1.cgi"
> add 1 space,backspace 1 space <ALT> F X <Return>
>
> Thats file,save,yes write changes. The file is now CR+LF terminated lines
> and works in windows.
>
> As I have already mentioned the problem is probably the ftp client or
> configuration of one of the ftp servers. As a rule don't move things
> around in ASCII.
>
> If you make it all CR+LF formatted and move it around in binary the
> problem goes away ...
>
> I would ask why anybody would write cgi sitting using notepad on an XP
> machine anyway !!!!
>
> If you cant live without XP use vmware to run a linux inside it, then you
> can write,edit and test cgi content... or dual boot the laptop... or even
> use knoppix to CD boot the laptop into a linux environment. Why would you
> want to edit the files in one place and run them in another, sounds a slow
> and clunky way of working to me.
>
> I've worked in a mixed windows/linux/unix world for years with none of
> these problems - you simply need to re-consider the best way to work -
> moving files around one at a time is a symptom of an ill-planned work
> pattern.
>
> I use a local linux machine to run apache and cgi - I connected to it
> using a laptop running knoppix and wireless networking when im not at my
> desk and I only ftp complete projects in binary... i've not had problems
> at all.
>
> Jon

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