Re: 1024_Cylinder

From: Tim (Tim_at_mail.localhost)
Date: 01/15/04


Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 01:21:11 +1030


"john" <vze4j6mv@verizon.net> wrote:

>>> Does anyone know if either RedHat or Fedora are bound by the 1024
>>> cylinder barrier?

"Tim" <Tim@mail.localhost> wrote

>> In what context? I'm using it in ways that seem to be beyond the limit.
>> I think the only limit now is getting the system to read the bootblock.

"john" <vze4j6mv@verizon.net> wrote:

> Just meant it in the context of trying to install on a disk beyond the 1024
> cylinder. I don't know what other context there is. I have XP on the first
> 10GB's of a 20GB HDD and I was able to install Fedora on the second half of
> the disk. So, for my purposes, the question is now academic.

Installations, booting from partitions above the 1024 cylinder limit,
reading from partitions above the 1024 limit, etc. There's a few areas
where that limit could be a problem.

> Bear with me on this, and, of course, I may be totally off base, but, right
> now RedHat reminds me of the kid from the ol' neighborhood who makes it big
> and then doesn't wanna know ya. Is Fedora now the stepchild of Redhat meant
> more to appease the open sourcers and GPLers? Is Fedora more like paying
> lipservice to free linux?

Fedora is new, and a bit different. I don't think we really know what
they're going to do with it, and it sounds like Red Hat doesn't, either.
I think we need to wait and see a bit longer. I've read some comments
that Fedora is little more than naming instead of numbering releases.
Red Hat's been around for quite some time, so I don't think the "new kid
on the block description" is applicable.

> With a RH installation you have an option of either a text or GUI login.
> Aside from an end user why anyone would want a GUI login is beyond me, but
> that's an aside. With a Fedora installation the only way you can get a
> text login is by manually editing the "inittab" file which then plays
> havoc with .Xauthority which effectively means if you text login as root
> you only run either GDM or KDM, startx is broken.

I've not seen Fedora running yet, but are you saying that you don't have
an option pre-configuring before the installation, that to not
automatically start up in a graphical mode? With Red Hat 9.0 Linux I
don't seem to have any woes starting either way, and starting X after
logging in. Though I do have to remember if I log out of X, to keep
watching and also log out of the CLI it came from. You're in X as
whatever use that you logged in as on the command line. You don't need
to do anything special to start X.

> If you su "user" you can run GDM or KDM, but it will not accept the user
> and/or password combo, so you can't login. You only GUI login as root.

Sounds odd. And, if anything, I'd think that it's more common to
disallow root GUI logins, on various Linux distributions. Which can be
a pain, considering the number of things that are easier to configure,
at least initially, using their GUIs.

> Gnome and KDE are virtually identical, exactly the same apps, menu folders,
> taskbar, etc..., there is only a minor difference in the number of desktop
> icons, two, if I remember correctly.

That sounds good. It's better that changing window managers just
changes window managers. It was a nuisance to find that some utilities
weren't in a menu in the other system, especially if you couldn't
remember their actual file name, nor could you easily add things to the
Gnome menu (I never tried with the KDE one). Can you now edit the menus
without a great pallaver?

> Running up2date is problematic at best.

It beats me why they don't let up2date use mirrors, so we don't get
these "the server is too busy" reasons for being unable to update
software. These days, I've been using their notification feature to
tell me that something needs updating, then getting anything that's big
from an FTP site, and manually upgrading.

> Am I premature in my judgement?

Probably, it seems they've not finished developing the new system.

> I am now either going the way of either Mandrake or Solaris and saying
> goodbye to Redhat. I am writing this because I have been a long time
> RedHat user, but I certainly can't afford or need enterprise Redhat and
> I'm very disappointed with Fedora.

I tried to install Mandrake. Two different versions of it, five
different PCs, they all bombed out while trying to install. Some got
part way through the selection process, others never even got that far.
I really can't tell what the problem was. Red Hat worked fine on all of
them.

I'm hoping to get my hands on Fedora, soon, to see how it goes.

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