Re: Fedora Core 3 update failure - Help Please - warning! slight newbie moaning

From: Some Other Somebody Else (m.d.n.plop.agy_at_worldnet.a.fizz.tt.net)
Date: 10/11/05

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    Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:23:22 GMT

    On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 23:48:57 +0100, jonah <jonah@nowhere.com> wrote:

    >
    >Hi Guys,
    >
    >Had Fedora 3 around for a while but have just installed it for the
    >first time. No problems with the installation / partitioning / dual
    >boot etc but I am having severe difficulty with the upgrades via the
    >built in upgrade yum thingy as per the manual.
    >
    >BTW WTF is with this naming convention is it supposed to be next to
    >impossible to figure out what apps are from the given name? some sort
    >of code is it? I will learn but I don't see why it has to be so bloody
    >inpenetrable in the first place, as a long time windows user running /
    >building networks I am exactly the sort of person Fedora should be
    >trying to convince (which is exactly why I have a copy) - first
    >impressions of ridiculously silly jargon and names are not very good -
    >however - enough moaning I can deal with that I would just rather not
    >have to.

    If I'm not misconstruing your complaint here, I think maybe part of
    the problem is that "annoying" is subjective, as well as partly a
    matter of wht you're used to - I personally would rather have a
    bootloader called "grub" and an mp3 encoder called "lame" and similar
    quirky names than Microsoft's condescending smart-this and smart-that
    and my-this and my-that, and even though Microsoft's names try harder
    to be warm, fuzzy, and un-computerish, one still has to know what they
    are before one knows what to do with them. The Window manager KDE
    usually has a lot of plain-English names and descriptions for
    applications in its menu, so that might be a place to look is you want
    a more Windows-like experience and less computerese to ease the
    transition.

    >Sorry to digress I feel better now - back to upgrades.
    >
    > I have the "key" installed, I am registered with Fedora, its talking
    >to the server OK but it hangs at various points ie sometimes it gets
    >further than others before hanging usually at the "resolving RPMs"
    >stage or "Downloading Packages" (not) stage - for no apparant reason,
    >can't be more specific I have never seen a completed update sequence
    >yet and no error messages at all - nada.

    Have you tried using the graphical updater "up2date"? It might be a
    little more self-explanatory that a command line tool like "yum".
    Also, are you sure that the program is actually hanging, and not just
    busy? If you have a lot of updates, resolving the dependencies and
    such can sometimes take quite a while, and at this point there are are
    quite a few updates for Fedora 3 available. I am using Fedora 3 now,
    and just got through installing the latest updates with no trouble at
    all, and it didn't take any special tricks. So maybe if you use
    up2date and give it time to work you'll be all right.

    >Anyway.
    >
    >Re-installed clean
    >
    >No Firewalls at all installed - took em out on the re-install to
    >eliminate possible firewall problems with updates. Also I deactivated
    >the extra security because I read it is not for newbies and can cause
    >problems.
    >
    >Behind a NAT router - Online OK and talking to WAN & LAN no problems.
    >
    >Should I just DL Fedora Core 4 and install it over the top - would
    >that in effect update it + possibly fix the unrecognized monitor
    >problem without me having to find drivers + clear up the update
    >failure problem? (I know but humour me I have to believe that that
    >this is far better than Windows, pleeeeease).

    If you haven't customized you system much, and you want to try FC4 to
    see if it's more compatible with your hardware, it might be faster and
    easier to just install it from scratch, because if it's updating an
    existing system then it might have to take time to resolve
    dependencies :)

    YMMV, but I certainly like it better than Windows. All new things
    take a little getting used to, more or less, but....

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