Re: rpm doesn't recognize installed version of python

On May 20, 3:11 pm, ibupro...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Moe Trin) wrote:
> On Mon, 19 May 2008, in the Usenet newsgroup linux.redhat, in article
>
> <g0s4tp$483...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Allie wrote:
> >Moe Trin wrote:
> >> They've got a pretty horrible reputation for newsgroup abuse, and
> >> refusing to control it.
> >Thanks again for your reply. Makes total sense. The one thing with
> >google groups which is nice, is that one can search all the groups and
> >the messages therein, without having to subscribe to all the groups.
>
> Yes, this was something they took over from deja-news in 2001 (the
> deja-news domain name is now owned by google, but deja-news started a
> full time archive of Usenet in 1995, though it contains some older
> posts). Usenet is like the rest of the Internet, uncontrolled. The
> standards and rules are mainly about interoperability - and the only
> control you may have of others is to not allow them to connect to
> your network.
>
> The 'Big Eight' consortium has a minimal say in the big-eight hierarchy
> (comp.*, humanities.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*, and talk.*)
> but they list only 2289 groups (see the posting to the Usenet groups
> news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, and news.lists.misc with the
> subject "List of Big Eight Newsgroups" posted on the 15th of the month),
> but the typical news server carries more than the sanctioned list:
>
> [compton ~]$ grep -Ec '^(comp|humanities|misc|news|rec|sci|soc|talk)\.'
> .newsrc
> 4692
> [compton ~]$
>
> and if you add in all of the other hierarchies, the list can be rather
> large (the server I'm spooling from has over 109000 groups). Google
> used to have a list of the groups they carried, but it seems to have
> disappeared when they started stressing their own discussion groups.
>
> >One way to go about this would be to use google groups to search, and
> >then post to whatever news server one has access to.
>
> I've been using a company proxy server for that, because google is a
> data mining company that collects any data it finds, and that includes
> the Java scripts they cause your web browser to run every time you
> submit a query. Still, they are in business to make money, and the
> targeted advertising is how they do so - targeted because they know
> what you are interested in.

So, a proxy server aggregates your ip address along with alot of other folks, and perhaps blocks cookies and certain javascript code as well. But if you ever want to use a google product, you're kind of screwed, right? That is, if you want to use gmail, for example, you have to accept their cookie. I suppose you could keep accepting temporary cookies, but that's a pain. I have a cookie whitelist, and a content blacklist, but the real problem comes when you want to use a product, and the vendor is then able to track you. I guess that's the price - privacy for free products. Updating my old redhat 7.3 box to a usable version, and running my own apps, is starting to sound attractive again. However, hardly a solution for the general populace.

I almost don't mind google itself having my information. Rather, it's a matter of it existing at all, as google is probably quite free to sell and distribute it all over the place. Thankfully I'm not terribly interesting or bad. But, if I ever wanted to be, I suppose this would give me pause. I wonder if John Poindexter is working with any of these companies - if he was smart, he would try. And he's probably smart.

Anyway, off track...

> >Would be better to have all that capability in one place that's not
> >google groups, and maybe it exists somewhere, but not on my campus at
> >least. If you have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them.
>
> What would be better is for the capability to be controlled to reduce
> (I don't think anyone is ever going to _eliminate_) abuse. They
> could (for example) delay postings until their marvelous search engine
> tested the post for spam content. Some users (and even some news
> providers) have this capability now, why not google (or anyone else who
> allows "free" (meaning no cost) or anonymous posting to Usenet)?

I have no idea why they wouldn't do this. Perhaps they haven't seen enough drop-off of usage due to the abuse, or perhaps as (i think) you suggest, they don't have an interest in improving a product over which they don't have complete control. The latter makes more sense. And what a shame if so. Do they scan their own groups' postings for spam? That would be the real test, right?

I hope the hoardes of open-source-minded individuals will keep crafting attractive solutions which don't get swallowed by the behemoths. I'm sure they will. I think Google has REALLY benefited from Microsoft being the default bad guy for so long. They're going to have to be really crafty to dodge that bullet.

wow, this post ended being a little scary. hmm.

allie
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