Re: Redhat certification

ryran wrote:
Certs are good if you have the experience to back them
up, or you are using the books purely to learn in a dry, point blank
manner which you are going to apply with practical "playing around"
(which is worth more than anything IMHO). If you want to learn Linux,
skip the certs and put the $$$ towards a few cheap systems - you will
learn more, and get some experience.

If I may be so bold, I think the point you're missing is that you
can't get certifications from REDHAT without actually knowing quite a
bit. RHCE!=MCSE. Redhat's RHCE course track is designed to accomodate
someone with no Linux experience. Taking their courses, starting at
the very beginning, _would_ provide a whole lot of hands-on
experience--more than enough to jumpstart a brand new career in my
opinion (assuming there's genuine interest to follow through).

No problems! :) I am however not missing that point. The RHCE track will of course follow a route for new comers to Linux, as they have to populate the courses. What you seem to be missing is that a lot of people take the courses, get the cert, and expect to walk into an Enterprise environment as a "senior" because they have a cert. This is simply not realistic to any extent. It is not even IMHO enough of a qualification to set up a server for a small business - they simply do not have the experience. Certs do not jump-start careers - people who work hard and learn jump start their careers. I started my career working for free for almost a year... got hired, and now manage an Enterprise environment. I had no certs all the way until I decided to fill in some blanks on my CV. The certs do no good without *actual* experience - a course or 10 is not *actual* experience - you have no users, you have no load, and probably don't have the "big" stuff that one would find in a server room. You are quite correct in saying that a genuine interest has to follow - but I feel that a passion is more the drive that makes on successful doing SA work. I do this as my job, I do it for fun, and I do it for side contracts - I have a passion for it, and do pretty well at the same time! :)

JR.

(apologies if this gets post more than once - my ISPs must have cheap certified admins as they suck and don't know how to configure things properly - having issues with them.)


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